b) Moreover, I should like to remind theologians and other experts in the ecclesiastical sciences that they should feel themselves called upon to answer in the present circumstances. Only God can do that. Saguto for a series of conferences over three days, beginning Thursday, August 11th through Saturday, August 13th. Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. FSSP, Diocese of Providence Christine Rousselle is a former DC Correspondent for Catholic News Agency. I hope thats OK. For example, I dont think that grasping issues, as you put it, Alarico is at all key or even important. Please keep in mind that I am speaking only for myself. FSSP International Father Saguto began serving as All Saints pastor in August 2018. With Advent upon us, the evident threats posed from the secular world compel us all to make concerted efforts to keep Jesus as the reason for the season.. Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. I am so sorry that this has been your lot, its heart rending. It includes those who, through no or >>limited<>>limited<<< fault of their own. In an effort to hold on to whatever they could of the Faith, they ran straight into the arms of groups like the SSPX, as well as others. Now that Father Wolfes role has been made public with respect to both CM and Fisher More, it would be a good time to reread the story of the collapse of Fisher More College with all that in mind, and be sure to fill in what has been said here in between the lines:, especially in the section on Relations with the FSSP: Richard M From the Desk of Canon Olivier Meney, ICRSS With all this being said, I think we all, myself included are inclined to take ourselves entirely too seriously. The Missive. You do not have to rehash your reasons why you hate Mr. Matts opinion as I just re-read your words and the responders here on this link: He replaces Fr. Youngstown, OH. Dear piokolbe and/or radtrad, Lets revisit what Voris (and Fr. Stop using deceptive language. ** Fr. Thank you and God bless. I give you credit. I used to think my family would grow out of it. Thank you for your kind response which I believe to be as sincere as my question. Congrats. Lexington, KY Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. 5: +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . I dont say any of this as a criticism of those attending and supporting SSPX chapels, or even their clergy, which also includes some fine priests. (2) Re: courage or lack thereof of FSSP priests, funniest thing I ever saw was on the Remnant pic of priest all decked out in battle fatigues including bush hat w/the headline Will You (i.e. Please allow us and them to listen to you. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. In allowing myself and others to comment even though louie most probably disagrees with certain things (speaking for myself) shows that louie has great charity and isnt controlled by anyone. Certain nearby FSSP priests were drawn into the controversies. ****** Dear john6, But I realized, and it actually had nothing to do w/sedevacantism, that me and mine WERE Nancy Pelosi. Our Holy Faith often falls victim to being taken for granted. The rules and commands originated with a person. He knows very well that the Council and the new Mass both are causing people to lose the faith. Springdale, AR I applaud that. The root of this schismatic act can be discerned in an incomplete and contradictory notion of Tradition. The worst criticism of the SSPX sure comes from the Novus Ordo Traditionalists. heh-heh, point taken! The way it is done here by poikolby and some others is NOT the Catholic way taught by Jesus Himself. Houston, TX We laughed hard. Philip Wolfe, FSSP. The greatest hurdle faced by the children of the Church in this case is coming to terms with the fact this is even possible, which one can do by applying their intellect to the situation in the light of faith, at which point the picture will become clear: Those who cling to the clarity dispensed by the Church before the Council cannot possibly be on anything other than solid ground, while those who accept the conciliar compromises are at risk of losing the faith. We have apostasy and heresy within the bosom of Holy Mother Church. His position hardened somewhat in his final years (during which, I might maintain, he probably still would have sprung for either the 2000 or 2012 structure deals offered to Fellay, based on what I know of them), but the fact is that he really did try to work obediently if it would be allowed, even to a papacy that was increasingly singing a modernist hymn. San Diego, CA . I really appreciate the space provided here in regards to the excellent content being discussed. Richmond, VA Naples, FL dear rich, This comes about in various ways. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. 2022 TheCatholicSpirit.com. Those who think this group is the anti-christ will not be moved from that position. Cardinal Burke has been very clear: If Pope Francis puts in place a program allowing the divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion apart from a true remedy (e.g., an annulment) he will not follow; rather, he said he will maintain the true faith. Father Wolfe has been transferred in the normal round of these and is obviously needed elsewhere. New Priest Assignments Announced. I say that sincerely, recognizing my own faults and shortcomings which may have led to giving this false impression. Those who have ears will hear, those who have eyes will see. The illness of a spouse or child, the moving away of a close friend, the loss of a job or health can all be real motivating factors to help us realize the genuine value of something. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. These three priests will raise the total number . And what does Taylor Marshalls video have to do with the closing? With Thanksgiving Day, many are (or were, depending on where you live) looking forward to getting together at home and spending time with family and friends. Scranton, PA Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? Support the FSSP Mission in Africa - Scapulars made by the parishioners of our FSSP Nigerian parish are available in the vestibule. This argument is fair enough; objective reality isnt subject to legal pronouncements. To suggest in such a snide, sarcastic, evil way that these two movements by the FSSP are in any way related to the controversy here or on Church Militant is beyond the pale. I do think it possible to simultaneously hold that Bishop Olsons action was in certain ways unjust to the staff and students at Fisher More while also being critical of the administrative leadership of President King. His pastor for some time (until very recently) was Fr. I know he is a good priest striving for holiness. Vancouver, BC Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. With Thanksgiving Day, many are (or were, depending on where you live) looking forward to getting together at home and spending time with family and friends. It was sent in by a parishoner when the FSSP got the personal parish. You said it much better than I. I was immediately attacked when I posted a response. English-speaking Chaplain . That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. IMHO that, along with Verrecchios exhilarating writing style make this site what is-a meeting place to ignite the thinking process. We wait for the coming of the Son of God-made-Man, the focal point of all history, the only God there is, born to hang on a Cross and redeem us from our sins. What went on at Fisher Moore College is not known. (opposite to voris) I would imagine quite the opposite, im sure this approach has caused louie a great deal of problems as of late. This link is more succinct. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Will you also look at the links I posted above? FSSP NA on YouTube Omaha, NE Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? First of all everything said about Fr. When I noticed, however, that his more recent talks include the subjects of Sr. Faustina and divine mercy in a favorable light, I turned him off. To me, devotion to the false divine mercy devotion of Sr. Faustina is an excellent indicator of how modernist a priest is. These Catholics focus heavily & almost continually on Bergoglio-who is not the problem. That photo credit is Fr. I DARE him to try and dispute me. These latest round of attacks is the fruit of Father Wolfes influence that is a manifestly provable fact. Whatever happens in October affects not Holy Mother Church. FSSP pastors are . Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. This takes a toll on an aging trad & many times that is apparent. All evil? Denver, CO Many people think the Dimond bros are fanatics (God knows what they would think of St. John the Baptist, Jesus Christ or even St. Paul or St. Catherine of Sienna etc.) Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. Indeed, contrary to what some may hear about us, we sedevacantists in reality live amidst other Catholics in peace & gracious commaraderie. Regarding group #5, you said 5th group SSPX RESISTENCE 2012/2013 these are mostly priests that belong to the SSPX. As for Michael Voris, I dont watch or follow him in any way. 15:5). Increasingly, Voriss obsession (which apparently is driven in some way by his backers, Mr. Carroll and Fr. Saguto, Fr. In truth, that the SSPX didnt actually run anywhere is the problem: Quincy, IL Sarasota, FL If Ratzinger is leading people to hell, denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, contradicting Jesus Christ (re: valid covenant of Jews) and committing sacrilege, Ratzinger is NOT good. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. Michael Matt interviewed him in Mexico recently, I believe. (1 Cor:23). We are truly living in a period of disorientation. I love the Saint so much. ***The aforementioned Catholics do not include the SSPX, who fit into a seperate category, not to be further delineated here, not bc it's complicated-it's not. for your information, Im no spring chicken myself. In light of all that surrounds us, (the new annulment process, synod on the family, silence on sodomite marriage, etc.) The accusation that I luv those who want to destroy the Church is an obfuscation. Oklahoma City, OK I believe Bishop Morlino just issued a public apology to the SSPX also. I witnessed their fine example of Catholic kindness, involvement & charity toward those who disagreed with them. We here at Church Militant have one concern here: Despite stupid claims that we are doing this for money, we are concerned about the souls of our fellow Catholics. You do not have a right to hear anymore from me. UPDATE: Having just received a message from a friend on the ground, Im happy to clarify that Fr. So let me go on record here by saying that I will gladly sit with Michael Voris on a live program to discuss specific reasons why no Catholic should ever be forced to sign off on Vatican II as an integral part of tradition.. Yet, he sticks with it like glue. Nor are they interested in hearing the kind of drivel spewed out by piokolby, rich and others. 3rd group those that choose only to attend TLM except for funerals weddings etc. We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. Look, Ive met FSSP priests who are wonderful men who have good relations with their brother priests in the SSPX and vice versa. Is there no one out there who can challenge poikolby and rich, and others here who detract from the reputations of these men, and from the reputation of the FSSP but me? Honestly, we all need to be quite compassionate towards one another and realize that we know nothing about each other except that we love the Faith. The society rejects the second vatican council and the new mass although officially dont deny the validity of the sacraments as they are in the new rite. May God reward you for all your kind generosity! Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. in the Mass prayers of Advent. But not so with you, you came forth to talk. Mine is no1. Fresno, CA Either way . Sedevacantism is not a religion in of of itself. Louie, your excellent blog is being hijacked. As for the suggestion that the SSPX simply left the Church by holding fast to the true faith, even as her aforementioned weak and corrupt leaders abandoned it, is idiotic even for him. Youre free to believe so if youd like, but I dont. All in all, the time table laid out herein is accurate. Our only fault is that we have not taken this position. I ask this question with all sincerity not to provoke any animosity or defensive reaction. May none of us ever become so prideful as to claim immunity. Saguto, FSSP in the recording. The FSSP parish runs a school and the local diocese enforces a policy that all adults who work with children must have a criminal background check and fingerprint search. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. But they didnt. but they have an interesting video which I have linked to several times (not sure anyone has watched it), but they make a point re: +Wmson thinking that Ratzinger is a good person. Voris, by contrast, runs every last word through a filter; avoiding anything that might conflict with more personal concerns; the likes of which well address a little later. It has been my experience time and again that fellow Trads, who later support the sedevacantist position, want nothing to do with family or friends who do not take this position. Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. I had already decided (in agreement with you) to stay away from CMTV and T. Marshall. Therefore, the Church cannot be considered as something that stands between me and Christ, as so often is alleged. This means that love is the basis of being a member of the Church, as it is supposed to be the basis of being a member of a home. The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. It answers a lot of questions I had in my mind. Then he has the gall to post this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjHH2Eg-vQ all this after what happened at Fisher Moore College! Fr. I am not a follower of the Dimonds, may God forbid. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. It doesnt take a Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots, folks. As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. Denton, NE (Seminary) Maybe thats whats got him in a tizzy. Questions: * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. A home then is not a sum of commands or rules given by a father or mother. Wolfe was not the pastor at Mater Dei, but rather the Parochial Vicar and Assistant Pastor; a man who Mr. Carroll clearly idolized. I do get it that your comment here was not meant to be an intensive treatise. As I am not a malicious person, I suppose I will simply be ignorant in the public eye now. The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. I literally admire your use of sarcasm & I must admit, its well executed & actually appreciated. A few years ago, there was a large national media initiative to reach out to lapsed Catholics called Catholics Come Home. Zilch. I hope Catholics will be protected from those responsible. Most of the time unfortunately it falls into a type of group. Eric Flood, FSSP, who served in that position for the last . Unite such an invocation with our Lords true presence in the nearest Tabernacle, a most important and obvious belief of the Holy Faith. But everyone one who has signed off on VII by professing obedience to it and its heresiarchs is outside the Church. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. The only people that ran anywhere were the faithless and feckless fools who, many unknowingly, just accepted the Council and the new Mass as gifts from Almighty God. Louie, your blog does not rise and fall by my participation. I pray that Catholics (on BOTH sides of this issue) read your response and learn that the real enemies of Our Lord love confusion and division. I totally agree with you about CMTV. On the local level, a dust up ensued between the SSPX and the FSSP, or more appropriately, between individual persons associated with each as, apparently, a priest of the Society had advised people to avoid the FSSP and it got back to Fr. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Over the course of the last three days, Michael Voris has put his unholy obsession with the SSPX on display via some 30 minutes of video (with the promise of more to come) featuring over four thousand words a portion of which was allegedly plagiarized (but more on that in a moment. Those who favour the Society of St. Pius X will not change their minds. El Paso, TX *** Here, let it not be said that the interior of anyone is being judged. I think, as does Michael Matt, that the FSSP priests each have their own reasons for their actions in these dangerous times as they attempt to carry out their duties of saving souls. Clarkdale, AZ The Catholic Church has not released a public list of clergy members who have been credibly accused of sexual misconduct or assault. With only a vague sense of her origins and history, and an anemic experience with the institutional aspect of the Church, many Catholics indeed tend to view the Church as a sum of commands and rules, imposing a morality that they find outdated or even impossible. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. Rather, a home is ultimately an interaction between personalities that are supposed to be loving each other spouses, parents, children, siblings, grandparents. We assume they are coming from a position of the Faithbut theyre not. No wonder then, that at the beginning of the liturgical year the Church employs the imperative Excita Stir up! This is rich: Voris mentioning those who dont really know very much at all about the SSPX as he gets even the most basic facts completely wrong. That a priest who knows that Peter has forbidden him from offering the Sacrifice of the Mass would be so presumptive as to thumb his nose at the Vicar of Christ and say his superiors have given him permission is terrifying terrifying for the soul of that priest. Lets move to Louies next post! It has all been discussed in detail in the comment section on the above link, about half way down the page. Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. He refuses to engage the people he criticizes directly. Michael Voris has a bee in his bonnet and he has boxed himself into lambasting a group that just goes about its business without giving him any attention at all. Voris- shmoriswho cares? I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. I do not claim, presume or pretend to belong to an exclusive club. To accuse the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peters members of be responsible for the break-up of marriages is scurrilous and reprehensible. ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL & MPLS. (Both Voris and Marshall refer to JPII and John XXIII as saints - big red flag!). Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. BTW, thanks for the link to the tradcatknight. His work is exclusive in design, liturgically correct and unequaled in beauty. The heartfelt acknowledgment of potential loss is a sure-fire way of checking contempt and correcting things. Ottawa, ON Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. I know a fair number of Fraternity priests, and they are among the finest priests I have ever met. Minneapolis, MN In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. But how to do so when belief seems so uncertain or dark? It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. Views and opinions expressed in the Missive are solely the writers and do not necessarily reflect those of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. Gemma Bradac is an All Saints parishioner located in Hudson, WI, willing to travel up to 30 minutes for a family. Tragically the position ruling the evidence mode into which the SSPX has morphed is a hook that draws, as in removing a vaudeville performer from a stage . Wolfes earlier talks (2003-2006) on audio sancto. Dear piokolby, And to do it using the lame excuse that one is trying to speak the truth and warn others is to be blind to ones true motives. Mater Dei Catholic Parish 2030 East State Highway 356 Irving, TX 75060 Phone: (972) 438-7600 Email: - info@materdeiparish.com So I hope we can say that we whole heartedly agree that such warm discourse between sedevacanists & Catholics who oppose is the way not only that it should be, but it is the way we are called to be. Montreal, QC It was not accepted due to faulty translations. We hold that the religion borne of VII is not the Catholic religion, but a non-Catholic Sect, of which Bergoglio is now the head. Such initiatives and efforts need not be tiresome, but the sacrifice that goes into being thoughtful and present has a cost, be it in personal time or convenience. It has been mine too, coming in from the opposite direction, if you will. Fr. Atlanta, GA For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. The SSPX doesnt tell everyone they meet to avoid the FSSP. The thought of home is something that is written into the heart of every human being; while often times it brings to mind a physical house or location, it goes deeper. Barbara, Rev. That said, we all have differing personalities, ways of expressing ourselves that can even vary from day to day. *** A couple decades ago I wrote for a very popular trad bi-monthly which I will not name, whose editor said a now famous statement: You can tell they are Catholics by their hate. The same priest asked me to purchase a picture of the Archbishop (Lefebvre) for the Rectory. Ive done that in this space many times, speaking of how I once naively believed one thing about the Council, the Mass and even the SSPX, only to have my eyes opened to the truth. If we want to be charitable, we could possibly say that its because of the treatment of sedevacantists described above, that a small number of sedes respond to other trads in a kind of a backlash mode, if you will. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. Although not everything on this site can be trusted, the site does a good job with this supposed visionary. There are so many dangers coming down the pike that I find it hard to believe this issue is taking up so much air time and energy. This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). I have learned much from your links over the past several months and appreciate your insights. Anyway, IMHO, knowing this & taking it into account one can still certainly enjoy this fabulous film. Really? Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. Ive seen this story play out more than once before. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. ********** The clown Masses, the lack of faith on the part of leaders, the abuses, the watered-down catechesis, the lesbian nuns, the gay priests, the destruction of the Faith by religious orders, and on and on. The objective truth isnt really all that difficult to see here with respect to the Councils standing in relation to the truths of the faith as they have always been taught. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. Mr. Matt also says that St. 2:00pm Keynote Speaker - Jeffrey Ostrowski. Edmund Campion dressed up as a jeweler to avoid arrest. This is at the 4 minute mark in the video. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA God bless you both and pray for me. He pretends he never believed anything other than what he spews today. Terry, for his part, quickly took on what my friend called his own jihad against the SSPX shortly thereafter. The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. Having said that, it is a bit disappointing having come to the knowledge that full disclosure on this site has given, to know that Fr. Fr. Wolfe FSSP is true and public. Terry Carroll, like his pastor, did too, and that personal vendetta against the Society (and unwillingness to go full bore after the dangers associated with the Council, the new Mass, and the actions of the pope) has since been adopted by Michael Voris as well. Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. Los Angeles, CA Seattle, WA The FSSP constitutions in 2003 bound the FSSP to the document that contains lies and heresy. 4. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! Gruner were very sensational to say the least. 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