Maybe I am just missing it. Lets pretend for a moment that youre right, though. Matthew 26 gives us more: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. It is all ONE God, not three different personalities, or persons. This ministry doesnt need a building to do Gods work, San Diego Catholic diocese ponders bankruptcy with sex-abuse lawsuits pending, Church of England considers whether to stop referring to God as he, Pope puts pressure on politicians, urges peace on 6-day Africa trip. This is in line with a common teaching in the Word of Faith movement: that our faith only manifests what is already true in the spiritual realm. Muslims will say that Allah is perfect. Unfortunately, its in stark contrast to Scripture. "The pastor makes everything relate to you," said Maggie Amos, 16, a student at Marvin Ridge High School in Waxhaw, N.C. "He's very modern, saying things in a new way.". Of course it does its all over the gospels, right, so which is it? Nobody teaches lies and falsehoods all the time. As interesting, this is the last verse of a long chapter, yet just before this, Jesus makes that famous quote; A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country. Were he to address the issue and clarify that hes biblically trinitarian and not a modalist in any sense, we would all be sure of what he means. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 Showing he wants to, but his longsuffering is towards our lack of faith, for without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. how can God be three persons and yet one?"' So #1 is debunked. Larry Stevens "Steven" Furtick Jr. [1] (born February 19, 1980) is an American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor, author, [2] and songwriter [3] of Elevation Worship. Yet not as I will, but as you will. The home was valued at $1.78 million. He knows better than you or I what your father needs. He enables us to believe. But he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. This goes along with him also saying; According to your faith be it unto you. Matthew 9:29. Again, why this foundation of being, rooted and grounded in love? But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? As Paul taught the Romans (Ch. I want to have the TRUTH, as we can find in Scripture. Sure, Ballard Christian. "It's a pretty intense room," said Larry Brey, Elevation's Connections Pastor and one of the jumpers. The misconception I encounter is that His fulfillment of the law means it no longer applies. The Elevation Church had its first service on 5 February 2006. In Romans 14, for example, Paul tells us that there are disputable matters. With all due respect to other writers of websites (and makers of videos, and tweeters of tweets), many who talk about false teachers are willing to call someone a false teacher simply because they disagree over disputable matters. Ive just returned from a vacation. So, to recap what you said; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. Thank you for your kind words. We cant know them all, as God has not revealed them to us. The passage says nothing about it, but we might imagine it anyway. Every time I hear some of steven furtick motivational speeches my heart each time is just tore up about it thank u for digging and honestly confirming what Ive always felt each time he opens his mouth normally missing the mark isnt some huge extravagant bald faced lie, its subtle hence surely you wont die but we just like Eve are looking through our humanistic evil eyes (Ayin) its never been a physical death, always a spiritual death, resulting in our separation from God! Like you, Ive found that most critics online are just kind of griping about people they dont like, or repeating someone elses accusations. The question is whether Steven Furtick was RIGHT or WRONG when he claimed that Jesus wanted to do more (seems reasonable) but WAS THWARTED (utterly heretical). The Word of Faith movement, for example, tends to place the blame on weak faith whenever a person is not healed of a disease. Thanks. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. Steven attended and graduated from Berkeley High School in his hometown of Moncks Corner, S.C. In context, Furtick is teaching about how we see ourselves versus how God sees us. Remember Jesus words about the sower, and the four kinds of soils. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright GodWords 2023 - All Rights Reserved. GO. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. The Spirit of God is the BREATH/Wind of God and the Son is the WORD of God. Is it good or bad to point to unbiblical teaching? Word of Faith teachers twist the Scriptures to say something that God has never said. Wherever you find yourself in life, we want to be a place you can depend on for receiving inspiration, encouragement . No, no, no no no no no noooo. Yes, the first quote as noted is not heretical. I too get tired of the nonsense, and the focus on secondary issues, and on the desire to be entertaining rather than edifying. Modalists claim that there is only one PERSON that is God, but the Bible describes three different persons as the ONE God. Take Elevation's recent goal of 1,000 "spontaneous baptisms" the kind people don't know they're going to get when they show up for church in their street clothes. Im not happy to say this. My wife and mother in law are both very attached to Steven Furtick and Ive tried to tell them about modalism and other things he says but they always interpret it to mean something else. Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. Low 31F. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins. While specific songs might be perfectly fine in their lyrics, are they pointing people back to Elevation church and Steven Furticks teaching? IMPORTANT: For recurring donations, your first gift will be processed immediately and typically posts within one business day. Because of the cares of the world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things. This is what happens when we put ourselves into the text. Especially when you can see the iron (microscopic amounts) from one transferring to the other. Jesus Himself said that He (as the Son) spoke nothing on His own. He is wrong about the Trinity. I am changing forms. Im happy to have been even a little bit helpful. In 1 Timothy 5, Paul said to rebuke false teachers publicly, so that the rest may stand in fear. He specifically called out false teachers by name, too: Demas, Phygelus, Hermongenes, Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus. I cant turn my back on those who come to me for help and many are looking for answers who will never send me an email. The only one who has the right to say if this man is a true man of God is God himself and if he wasnt called by God he will fall. The Holy Spirit came out from inside the Father? We who teach and I include myself are not in the same group as those who listen. His birth sign is Pisces. Unfortunately, Furtick gets this one wrong. THAT along with a whole bunch of other things Furtick teaches is why hes a false teacher. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? Modalism does not match what we see in Scripture, so those who teach it are, by definition, teaching falsely. He took only the childs father and mother and the disciples Mark 5:39,40, showing doubt hinders, faith encourages favorable out comes. In relation to his saying; I sought the Lord three times, that it might depart from me., I then think of the woman who followed Paul around bugging him to no end, repeatedly saying; These men are servants of the most High God, Acts 16:16-18, were in he handled that spirit, commanding it to come out of her in the name of Jesus, yet not this one, again, (because he knew the purpose); lest I be exalted above measure. A new grant aims to preserve it. I do applaud those who have obtained these things legitimately. What is wrong with saying; the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith? They celebrated their honeymoon by traveling around the Caribbean on a cruise. I was also intrigued by the Baptist form of preaching, energetic compared to Catholic masses. Lets see a sit down between you and Pastor Furtick. Its hard, because some of the music IS good. I just want the truth which I believe I can only find through prayer, study and revelation. I tried to reply on our original discussion, but did not allow it. "But, gosh, we're all on the same team." God is Spirit and we who worship him must worship him in Spirit and TRUTH (John 4:24), so, no, dont agree with Steven Furtick. Ive never heard a Word of Faith teacher suggest that anyone COULD think too highly of themselves. Let me know if you need a hand getting started. Its also a heresy known as panentheism. He just changed forms. Thats not good. does not equate to Gods blessing. Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. I want you to know the Scriptures. In the meantime, let me know how I can help. I hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written: from one brother to another, with respect, and even a little fun. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. Is that godliness? Clear and simply put. Can you admit to that! Let me know if theres some other way I can help, beyond praying (which Im doing right now). Though it is clear here in the Lords vexed, provoked, pained, distressed cry, Matthew 23:37, saying; O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!, as here it is no doubt speaking these children limited Gods gathering ability. Theres no Plan B, so we need to make sure the church follows Jesus lead. Oneness theology is 50% biblically orthodox. Dont give up your frustration is evidence that the real thing is out there waiting. Weekly motivation delivered right to your inbox. Here is what I found: You have no idea whether Im envious of Steven Furtick (Im not). The Bible is full of examples to the contrary. Thats a yes or no question, by the way. Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? That does NOT mean that its okay to add to, or to take away from, ANY passage of Scripture. For the wages of sin is penance, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. In the same sermon, speaking of Jesus ascension into Heaven, Furtick said this: and now Jesus is taken from their sight, and hidden in a cloud, but he did not leave. Yes, were made in Gods image. The implication, of course, is that regular Christians do not. Modalism has been considered heretical by the entire Body of Christ for almost 2000 years, so its not as if its a new idea. Did Father God forget to send out a memo that these responsibilities have been passed down to you? The power that works in us is Gods power, not ours and its not ours to command, its His. What IS the question? No, I Must!33:36 - THIS Is What You Can Quit36:37 - Committed To Your Limits Or Your Potential?39:37 - Getting Rid Of The Old Self Is Hard41:22 - Arguing For Your Limitations44:43 - Agree With God About Your Potential47:16 - Caught In The Act51:17 - Permission To Leave Your Life Of Sin56:05 - Giving Your Life To Jesus Scripture References:Ephesians 4, verses 14-24John 8, verses 10-11Permission To Quit | Pastor Steven Furtick | Elevation Church The fact that something is IN the Bible doesnt mean its an instruction from God. I know that his command leads to eternal life. This is saying, if I may be so bold, that because of their thoughts towards Jesus, they did not believe in him! The question is whether you were, or werent and you were. You Are Not It. This is good stuff, my friend. Not saying this is same problem furtick has, but Donald, we can also be incorrect at times while presenting the Gospel, as you have done writing Ephesians 2:8 in reverse. Dont even listen to yourself! Because if a person really Noahs God and has a true relationship with him they know right from wrong keep your comments to yourself and quit causing Discord among the brethren. And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. In case anyone wonders whether Furtick misspoke, theres more. Will you bring Matthew Henry into this category too? The assumption is that God has already communicated what we need to know, and we just need to discover it by studying the text. The old saying; If I had a nickel for every time this was presented. Well anyway, I would have a lot of nickels! Someone gave me a good example that Ill share with you: if the Jehovahs Witnesses started producing really good music that your church liked to sing, would you be okay with that? Believe it or not, I held back from actually using the language of the kingdom. You should spend a little time in 1 Timothy and Titus to see what Paul says about people who teach anything other than the true gospel. This is true. Seven-Mile Miracle: Journey into the Presence of God Through the Last Words of Jesus. As for not judging, you might take the time to look up the passage in question. I am rare. Yeah never: His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Yes. You arent David, and Goliath isnt your fear standing in the way of your destiny. Notice that I did not say separate, but distinct. Some oneness folks think that the doctrine of the Trinity is that there are three separate beings who are God. The verse reads your held accountable not your better and not the same we are all the Same under Gods eyes you need to address this I challenge you to show your accusations of this man I want to see proof not your own understanding because you are incorrect what the verse says that you are standing on.. and Ill pray your convicted to see the right over the wrong . Wake up. NC Rep. Dan Bishops opposition to hate crimes amendment draws heated debate. Luke 3:21-23 KJV I hope to study and understand the Word of God more so I can confidently stand on and defend the faith. When people defend false teachers and repeat their errors, thats bad too right? Is that what Christianity is being saved? . How did God respond? If you study the scriptures long enough concerning the identity of Father/Son/Spirit, it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? These are only a few of the many, many passages that show that the Father and Son are not the same person. In my opinion this is an often overlooked or unaddressed misconception among professing Christians. There is no other God beside Him. This was Gamaliels opinion, and shouldnt be used as a strategy for how to address false teaching in the church. You have to get past looking at your sickness and thinking about your sickness, and you have to start seeing yourself well. Get contact info, address & run background checks for Steven Furtick. Changing did not to could not says something that favors Furticks theology, but does not reflect what Gods Word actually says. Steven Furtick Ministries is a ministry of Elevation Church, a non-profit 501 (c) (3) corporation, and all gifts are tax-deductible as allowed by law. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. I dont have an aversion to faith folks. You and I have a responsibility to the gospel as it was once and for all handed down: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. Im grateful that youve pointed to a few things Furtick teaches that are unbiblical. The one who breaks the Law is a sinner. Right, good choice, as those scripture about false teachers is true and not to be ignored, but we were speaking of a certain scripture and its interpretation, yet you bring it into the realm of being part and partial to a false teacher. In John 4 Jesus healed a noblemans son in spite of his lack of faith and Jesus did it without the permission and, ostensibly the faith, of the son. In other words, once we understand the term God, even within the phrase there is ONLY one God, means a single entity comprised of three persons, the simplest aspect of the Trinity isnt so difficult. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. We are not a spirit that has a soul and is living in a body. Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. 174,204 talking about this. You say Paul was a special case. We should all be like the Bereans: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. All I know is what God has done in my life."'. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. In this case, I consider it helpful to provide a general warning. Atheists will say that God does not exist. Yes, youre setting him up. Nazarite vows are a special case. He called Word of Faith teacher Joyce Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today.. Like blind Bartimaeus, who asked Jesus to have mercy on him Mark 10:46-52 and Jesus asked; What do you want Me to do for you? When Paul chastised the foolish churches in Galatia, he did so because they had turned to another gospel. So, were do you get Jesus was entirely powerless from : He was able to and The power of God was in Nazareth? 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