. Gobbis explanation of the thousand-year reign clearly falls into the category of mitigated millenarianism, which cannot be taught safely.. Subj: Changing scripture Date: 94-06-26 22:22:27 EDT From: Jerome. YEARS: 1972 - Present. Even this is judgment. Gobbi: "The return (Second Coming) of Jesus in glory [will take place] before His final coming for the Last Judgment" (2). St. Augustine, probably the greatest theological mind the Church has produced, said that he was sure that old ladies with their beads were catapulting into heaven before him. . Gobbi has never been subject to any formal scrutiny by the Church, even . Is it possible to that I am on the correct path even though I am far less "learned" than the others in my Church? for a Priest to change the word "men" to "people" in the Nicene Creed at mass? EWTN personalities join Fr. Cardinal Newman once said, "A thousand difficulties do not make a single doubt." Currently, the movement is seeking further approbation as a Public Association of the Faithful. Here in our own parish we have twice had to ask the teachers in our parish school to survive without their monthly pay because there was simply no money left with which to pay them (and our tuition is already far above what many in our working-class parish are able to afford). The teaching of the Church cannot be regarded as just one of many equal points of view to consider. . For example, if a Catholic priest, for whatever reason, tells someone that they may steal money from work and that this is not wrong, the person does not sin in doing it, because their conscience has been misinformed. In 1973 Father Gobbi began to jot down some "limpid and strong thoughts which sprang up in his soul.". with me. . This led them to repent of their living situation and enter a sacramental marriage. We can talk about that later.. It was much later that the American Baptists, who's roots are found in early Calvinism, would modify this belief into the idea that all of us are unrighteous before God, and it is only due to his mercy that we can be saved; leaving open the possibility of salvation to everyone, but still discounting any idea at all of a possibility of transformation in grace. (It is Don Ciro who, at least until recently, would read out the messages written down by Simona and Angela after they emerged from their supposed ecstasies or resting in the Spiritriposo nello Spirito). But we know that the Spirit blows where and when He wills, and so with great humility and acknowledging that without Him we can do nothing, we dispose ourselves to listen to the Word, Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.. Zanoni, the current Archbishop of Feira de Santana, with diocesan responsibility for Anguera, is broadly supportive, as can be seen from this short interview (in Portuguese with Italian sub-titles): Click here. 20, Matt. Stefano Gobbi have now begun. The messages were passed to Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, John Paul IIs personal secretary. Walter would hear her voice through interior locutionsin words as clear to him as his ownand she began to guide, shape, and teach him. An educated conscience is one's first guide to moral decisions. Valerias calling has been confirmed by various supernatural healings, including one from multiple sclerosis, which also involved the miraculous water at Collevalenza, the Italian Lourdes and home to the Spanish nun, Mother Speranza di Ges (1893-1983), currently up for beatification. Some people, when they read the meditations of Father Gobbi for the first time, become unduly alarmed by their apocalyptic character. An hour later, he walked back into Aarons office with a smile on his face and said, I did it!. Rev. the design of Gods Justice, can still be changed by the power of His merciful Love. They have gained considerable attention in recent months due to a long message received by the seer in Heede, Germany in 2015, the site of apparitions to four children just prior to World War II. Is this compatible with the practice of our true Catholic faith? It was Fr. And you continue, ". In present-day language this would mean that the physicomoral relationship of Mary with her Son required special participation in his resurrection before the general resurrection of mankind. are to be officially approved by the church . His letter began: Estel, Nicaragua, Year of Our Lord, March 19 of 2017. He goes on to praise Louisa Piccarretas book on the Divine Will, saying it very much relates to our book (9). Gobbis book? Its contents can be found here: http://www.heartofmaryarabic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/The-Blue-Book.pdf. While such a foreignNihil obstat does not, on its own, constitutein situ diocesan approval of the apparitions, it is certainly not insignificant. . Just as she took part in the struggle of her only-begotten Son with the serpent of hell, so also she shared in his glorious triumph over sin and its sad consequences" (Fulgens Corona, 21). And remember, the errors weve discussed are contained in Fr. I am a Catholic, and always have been. "Therefore, no other person, not even a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority" (SC, #22, n3). This obligation to be faithful to the sacred texts as they have been approved is a serious one, as was emphasized by the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council: "Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See, and, as laws may determine, on the bishop" (Sacrosanctum Concilium, 4 Dec 1963, #22, n1). Yes, this is the exact reaction I knew I would get. Where do I stand? It is a prayer that is especially timely now, when world events feel out of control, and we are trying to grow in trust and abandonment to God's providence. Elizabeth Kindelmann Gobbi through interior locutions are some of the most numerous and detailed regarding her love of her people, her constant support of her priests, the coming persecution of the Church, and what she calls the Second Pentecost, another term for the Warning, or the Illumination of Conscience of all souls. People like to assume that all large institutions are rich, and the Catholic Church is very large. Father Gobbi believes that he continues to receive interior locutions from Our Lady, which are collected in book form and distributed among the members of the movement. A former EWTN priest and TV personality found not guilty of child sexual abuse in 2016 has been granted custody of his 9-year-old son. Our Lady herself referred to the interior locutions she gave Fr Gobbi as "all that I cause you to hear in your heart" (49 a: June 8, 1974). Is this okay? EWTN | 5817 Old Leeds Rd. As the National Catholic Register's Edward Pentin subsequently wrote: "Last year [2014], EWTN chose not to televise Ireland's Divine Mercy Conference, as it customarily does, because Father . http://www.oasi-accoglienza.org/. On another note, however, I think it's also important that you take time to evaluate whether your feelings regarding the emphasis on finances in your parish are justified. About Fr. But as long as human beings are involved, so will there be faults and flaws. Such an approach would go against almost everything that the saints have to say about spiritual direction. uploaded on 5_7_2013 Bernard's century, the twelfth, already awaited a Last World Emperor, an Angelic Pope, the Antichrist, and Doomsday. The Second Vatican Council indicates the conditions which can be used to determine whether a particular teaching is to be determined infallible. Fr. I DO have an objection when Lectors and Priests take words like "men" and such, and change it to "people" or "human beings" when the text says "men". Jennifer is a young American mother and housewife (her last name is withheld at her spiritual directors request in order to respect the privacy of her husband and family.) Date: 94-06-28 22:22:43 EDT From: Nicodemus. Many people do not understand that the Church teaches infallibly in many ways, ex cathedra decrees being only one. Disobedience of any kind is a phenomenon which has its roots in the interior life (or lack thereof), and is principally a disease of the soul. Guided by these messages from heaven, Fr. As regards the often sobering content of the messages,** there is a striking convergence between them and other serious sources, with notheological errors. And you are correct that the message of our Lord is often missed by those who's concern for knowing about the Lord is not as important as their concern for knowing the Lord. The two current visionaries, Simona Patalano and Angela Fabiani, receive messages on the 8th and 26th of each month, and Don Ciro Vespoli, who provides spiritual guidance to them, was himself one of a group of seers during the initial phase of the apparitions, before he became a priest. Gobbi founded the Marian Movement of Priests (MMP). Therefore, we can surely be certain that the Lord will appear and return to this earth for a period of time before the final end of the world (6). Since then, she has mostly received two messages per week and on occasion, only one. Would you give me some of your thoughts on what could or should be done to correct this? For one thing, he states that if you can identify any period of history in which a particular teaching of the Church was not challenged by any bishop and had the manifest approval of all in union with the Bishop of Rome, then, regardless of any current dissension, that teaching is rightly regarded as infallible. This message, viewed over 3 million times on YouTube, seems to have predicted the present global health crisis. Church sanction was of particular importance. Dan Burke, chief operating officer and president of EWTN News, announced his . While an investigative commission was established in 1998 by Bishop of Brescia Bruno Foresti, the Church has never taken an official position on the apparitions, although Marcos prayer group has been allowed to meet in a church in the diocese. Here, we must remember two points: First, not all infallible teaching is taught by some "ex cathedra" pronouncement by the Pope. Soon she would fall into profound ecstasy not only in the presence of her familyher husband and eight children, but also of people close to her who began to gather to pray; and they, in turn, formed a prayer cenacle, which accompanies her to this day. Fr. A priest who is not afraid of upsetting people with the truth can do great good. Description. 20:1115; 21:15). Pray, pray, pray!. Fr. Further information: http://mammadellamore.it/inglese.htm 22h. From her earliest years, Luisa was afflicted by the devil who appeared to her in frightful dreams. 3:7). Fr.. Rouxs letter continues: Prior to the publishing of the new Italian edition of the bookTo the Priests, Our Ladys Beloved Sons,the secretary from the CDF [presumably Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone], in a personal letter to Fr. Then Father Gobbi's message on December 31, 1992, implies that after the Warning experience there will be 3.5 years of the . The Nicene Creed: He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.. On February 12, 1988 he had his first vision of the Virgin, seeing her as if in a rose-filled grotto, holding a snake with her foot. One priest makes spelling corrections, then another gives the messages a final review before uploading them to the website, www.revelacionesmarianas.com, to be shared with the world. David LiPuma will be joined by host and showrunner Michael O'Neill for a question and answer . The fact is that the Catholic Church is in great financial trouble in this point in history, not only at the parish level but also around the world. A look at the life of Saint Agnes of Bohemia, daughter of a Czech king and founder of the Knights of the Cross with the Red Star, who surrendered her aristocratic privileges in order to serve the poor and the sick. The CDF subsequently advised that his messages "are not the words of our Blessed Mother, but his private meditations." . Gobbis messages did not fail but are now finding their fulfillment in real-time. It is only through invincible ignorance that a person's conscience can excuse from guilt in deviating from the moral order. Even still, Gisellas stigmata, her hemographic blood images, or bleeding statues should not, on their own, be taken as indicative of the visionarys sanctity such as to give hercarte blanchewith regard to all future activity. Dom Carillo Gritti, Bishop of the diocese of Itacoatiara, approved the 1994-1998 phase of the apparitions as supernatural in origin on May 31, 2009 and personally laid the cornerstone of a new Sanctuary in Itapiranga on May 2, 2010. Our Lady of Fatima has told us what will bring peace or war, (1913-1985)Wife, Mother, Mystic, and Founder of The Flame of Love Movement, http://www.heartofmaryarabic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/The-Blue-Book.pdf, CRITICAL WWIII ALERT: Pray the Five First Saturday Devotion and for the Popes Consecration, Pedro Do Not be Discouraged by Difficulties, The Warning: Testimonies and Prophecies of the Illumination of Conscience, https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/MMP.htm, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZ3LUxx-8E. Gobbi concerning the Warning: "A new fire will come down from heaven and will purify all humanity, which has again become pagan. The Catholic Church is the only major Christian denomination that continues to "nickel-and-dime" it's people for it's existence. Vatican envoy Archbishop Henryk Hoser was also appointed by the pope to oversee the care of pilgrims there, declaring in July 2018 that thelittle village is a source of grace for the whole world.In a personalconversation withBishop Pavel Hnilica,Pope John Paul II stated, Medjugorjeis a continuation, an extension of Fatima. To date, theapparitions and accompanying graces have producedover four hundred documented healings, hundreds of vocations to the priesthood, thousands of ministriesworldwide, and countless and often dramatic conversions. ReadMedjugorjethe Smoking Guns. does not constitute an official pronouncement., But when a highly placed authority in the CDF asks that the locutions not be presented as messages from Mary but as Fr. They warn the world of coming tribulations: communism and its coming peak; war and the use of nuclear weapons; pollution, famine, and plagues; revolution, social unrest, and moral depravity; a schism in the Church; the fall of the world economy; the public appearance and world domination of the antichrist; the fulfillment of the Warning, the Miracle, and the chastisements; the fall of an asteroid, and the change of terrestrial geography, among other messages. Call us at, 1-833-288-3986. The message of The Divine Mercy is simple: God loves us - all of us. 9:14-18). The messages that Our Lady gave to Fr. Stephano Gobbi . Cardinal Pter Erd of Esztergom-Budapest, Primate of Hungary, established a commission to study The Spiritual Diary and the various recognitions that local bishops around the world had given to The Flame of Love movement, as a private association of the faithful. When I begin to write (let us say, under dictation), I am not aware of the sense of the whole. He no longer lives near Zaro but receives and vets the messages. Visionary of Our Lady of Anguera. The fact that many of the events predicted in these messages (volcanic explosions in specific places, terrorist attacks in particular locations, such as Paris) have already come true with great accuracy. ", Subj: Centering Prayer? A conscience which has been misinformed, or is ignorant of the truth, cannot perform it's function and is therefore useless. Dated October 7, 1998 and addressed to All members of the Marian Movement of Priests, the letter from Rev. On the Final Judgment. the righteous will reign with Christ, glorified in body and soul. (1042). Gobbi: The return (Second Coming) of Jesus in glory [will take place] before His final coming for the Last Judgment(2). They married on May 25, 1930, when she was sixteen and he was thirty. The following is from Valeria Copponis own words, as they are stated on her website and translated from the Italian:http://gesu-maria.net/. I found the movements insistence on proclaiming the authenticity of the locutionsin the face of this specific request to do otherwiseunsettling. Elizabeths profound prayer life led her to become a lay Carmelite, and in 1958 at age forty-five, she entered a three-year-period of spiritual darkness. As for the possibility that Pedro Regis could have invented nearly 5000 messages over a period of nearly 33 years, it has to be asked what possible motivation he could have for doing so. [Message #389] The messages of Our Lady of Good Success also mention that some of these events will occur in the twentieth century. So what explains this discrepancy in the worlds timeline? With 4921 messages allegedly received by Pedro Regis since 1987, the body of material associated with the purported apparitions of Our Lady of Anguera in Brazil is extremely substantial. Always a diligent worker, Elizabeth never had good fortune in her long string of short-lived jobs, as she struggled to feed her family. Thanks Fr. Pope . In 1997, the messages of Itapiranga at times emphasized devotion to St. Josephs Most Chaste Heart, and Jesus asked for the following Feast Day to be introduced into the Church: I desire that the first Wednesday, after the Feast of My Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, be dedicated to the Feast of the Most Chaste Heart of St. Joseph. Father Gobbi is a true prophet as you will soon see. And, we can be sure, Mother Marys voice will always be in harmony with Holy Mother Church. a thorough investigation must be undertaken by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF). But the process of reasoning that you describe has nothing to do with conscience. . In the patristic literature of the early Church, both Apostolic and Sub-Apostolic, we find that four approaches were used to reason on dogmatic grounds to Mary's bodily assumption after death. Very few people understand conscience as the Catholic Church defines it. Page numbers are noted. Stefano Gobbi) and considers the coming of an Era of Peace a heretical view. In the passage in question, Paul points out how all of the events leading up to Israel's election as God's chosen people all happened because of the simple choice of God, and not by any merit on the part of the Hebrews as a people. She was, perhaps, what one would have called a typical Sunday-going Catholic who knew little about her faithand even less about the Bible. Both Scripture and theCatechismdiffer with this view. The reason these things bother me is simpleIt seems like going against the established authority to do these things. It was on this date that she began recording her mystical dialogues. The issue of stewardship is a very neglected part of Catholic education, and we often forget that one of the precepts of the Church is to contribute financially to her ongoing mission. On June 19, 2013, Pope Francis gave it his Apostolic Blessing. I ask the Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Our Mother, to intercede for us so that the will of God be fulfilled, . In 2009, the cardinal not only gave the Imprimatur to The Spiritual Diary, but recognized Elizabeths mystical locutions and writings as authentic, a gift to the Church. In addition, he gave his episcopal approval of the Flame of Love movement, which has formally operated within the Church for over twenty years. . Soon afterwards, he announced to Aaron, Theres a decision I have to make in my life. Do you have an opinion? No, I need to make that decision right now, and Walter took off. We must realize what this signifies and what it does not. On October 12, 1987, four days after his first communion, Eduardo and his sister Eliete were praying in front of this image when Eduardo saw a blue light emerging from it and illuminating the room. Although you can find such an introduction in the books, The Crown of History, The Crown of Sanctity, The Sun of My Will (published by the Vatican itself), A Guide to the Book of Heaven (which bears an imprimatur), Mark Malletts brief summary On Luisa and Her Writings, the works of Fr. Discern how best to use your God-given talents and inspired passions to share the . He was born in the Province of Como, Italy and was ordained as a priest in 1964. With regard to the first consideration, it seems to me that any method of prayer can be compatible with the interior life of a Christian provided that it is truly centered on Christ and not on oneself. The volumes that contain PRIVATE REVELATION from heaven, given to Luz de Mara from the year 2009 to the present time, have been given to me for the respective ecclesiastic approval. Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:59 pm . On one occasion, Jesus placed the crown of thorns upon her head causing her to lose consciousness and the ability to eat for two or three days. Two years into this process, she wrote: Prior to receiving messages from Jesus and the Virgin Mary, I received the following inspiration: You must be selfless, for we will entrust you with a great mission, and you will be up to the task. The Marian Movement of Priests was soon born. Thank you! that he receives these messages from the Mother of God., In his letter, Fr. Imprimatur means literally let it be printedsignifying whoever reviewed it found worthy of printing, meaning it contains no teachings contrary to the faith. Gobbi} and also has a great Q&A session following. Although Fr. Valerias Copponis story of receiving locutions from heaven started when she was in Lourdes accompanying her military husband on pilgrimage. Then I came across a statement in a magazine that cast doubt on the authenticity of Fr. But now, it seems, God delays no further. Categories: Announcements | Permalink . Living as an orphan on the verge of starvation, Elizabeth worked hard to survive. A third factor in favor of taking the Zaro apparitions/messages seriously is the clear evidence that in 1995, the visionaries had what appears to have been a precognitive vision (published in the magazineEpoca) of the 2001 destruction of the Twin Towers* in New York. . Gobbis locutions as Marys messages, I began to have other reasons to wonder about the MMP. But, through Luisa, Jesus is begging all of us to be the ones to proclaim this Kingdom; to learn more about the Will of God (as He has revealed Its very depths to Luisa); to live in His will ourselves and thus prepare the ground for its universal reign; to give Him our wills so that He may give us His own. Gobbi concedes this reign may not consist of a literal thousand years, he says the resurrected martyrs will reign with Christ on earth for a period of timea temporal earthly reignbefore the Last Judgment. There are several major reasons for focusing on Trevignano Romano as a potentially important and solid prophetic source. Michel Rodrigue and the visionaries in Heede, Germany during the time of the Third Reich). Gobbi on China and Russia from Fatima and more, plus an analysis of the prophecy unfolding now. Conscience, making its judgment, is only able to use the knowledge the intellect as at hand. Moral theologians refer to this as invincible ignorance, that is, a conscience which is in error about the truth. Eventually I was ordained as an Anglican priest and . Though the Divine Mercy message is not new to the teachings of the Catholic Church, the Diary of a humble Polish nun, St. Maria Faustina Marco Ferrari had three meetings with Pope John Paul II, five with Benedict XVI and three with Pope Francis; with official Church support, the Association of Paratico has founded an extensive international network of Oases of the Mother of Love (childrens hospitals, orphanages, schools, aid for lepers, prisoners, drug addicts). 24:20 QUESTIONS FROM THE EWTN MAILBAG 23:58 QUESTIONS FROM THE EWTN MAILBAG Seven months later, a statue of Our Lady of the Immaculate Heart in their home began to weep oil profusely (later, other sacred statues and images began oozing fragrant oil while a crucifix and statue of St. Pio bled. Their unique role will be to partake in the sovereign earthly reign of Christ for this thousand-year period (5). A great number of miraculous healings have been reported, positively assessed by doctors, and were forwarded to the Apostolic Prefecture of the Archdiocese of Itacoatiara. Every error is a red flag warning us we are in danger of being led astray. Whenever these numbers become available to Countdown to the Kingdom, we will make them available here. It should be obvious that the content of these messages cannot have a demonic origin because of their strict theological orthodoxy. In November of 1993, the MMP in the United States, based in St. Francis, Maine, received an official papal blessing from Pope John Paul II, who maintained a close relationship with Fr. Collectively, they are available in the book: She Who Shows the Way: Heavens Messages for OurTurbulent Timesand have been studied thoroughly by several priests and found free of all doctrinal error and are wholeheartedly endorsed by Archbishop Emeritus Ramn C. Argelles of Lipa. The new edition of the NAB has included some elements of "inclusive language," but it is not proper for a lector, priest, or anyone else to change what he finds in the text on his own authority. But now we both had questions. is NOT "therefore useless." . The conversion has to be now! The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism (676). So obviously this "predestination" is not written in stone. . On more than one point the MMP has strayed from Church guidance and teaching. Stefano Gobbi (seen in photo above with St. Pope John Paul II), Our Lady has unequivocally said that the Second Coming of Jesus will happen very soon, in fact in the present generation.The messages, which carry the imprimatur from several cardinals and bishops, are compiled in the book "To the Priests: Our . Through this movement, I am calling all my children to consecrate themselves to my Heart, and to spread everywhere cenacles of prayer. This article explains why it may be dangerous for faithful Catholics to participate in the Marian Movement of Priests or to believe in the locutions of its founder, Fr. Stefano Gobbi of the Marian Movement of Priests (MMP) aired in 1994. You write, "How one feels personally about the issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with how the conscience operates." And Archbishop Zanoni has appeared publicly in Anguera alongside Pedro Regis, and blessing pilgrims. Conscience can only excuse in such a case if the conscience is either ignorant of the law of God, or if it has been misinformed by "Father Friendly." For a powerfully effective Marian consecration, order the book, Marys Mantle Consecration: A Spiritual Retreat for Heavens Help, endorsed by Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone and Bishop Myron J. Cotta, and the accompanying Marys Mantle Consecration Prayer Journal. Adam Skwarczynski, the diaries of Bruno Cornacchiola. 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