How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? What opinion? I used to have a TRP. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. My time stinks apparently. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. Thanks Springfield. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Wrong. Magpul moved. Never, ever. Shame! They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. And theyre telling their friends. But Illinois only has about 2.1m gun owners of 12m population thats fewer by a significant margin than the number of hard-core urban Dems in Chicago alone. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Hugely disappointing. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. An XD and its in .40? Boom. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Damn shame. Henry and Ruger for the win. All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. Welp. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. Same here. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. To whom will they sell? Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. Huh? We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. If you are willing to do 9mm, check out an Honor Guard. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Make the bill political kryptonite. That is sooo repetitious! If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. Yuge. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. The bills author was Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. Illinois gun owners should pack up and move across the Mississippi to Missouri. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. I fail to see how giving the box stores a leg up on the gun shops helps Rock River or Springfield Arms in any way. Lots of work. Which would help with elimination if in the future. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Maybe they should look to Beretta. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Low character move. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Easy there tough guy. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. SA created it). Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Well, not basically, they did. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. And now a sell out. No more. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. (This is in response to Mark). Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Your Price: $744.13. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. Get a Dan Wesson instead. Thats how capitalism works. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? But it will be history at my house. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. When no one else had any left. Make it a campaign issue NOW. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Please, spend your money where you want. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. Glad I waited. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Kahr moved out of NY. Pick something and follow it. However, if youre willing to spend a little extra money on your rifle, Rock River Arms is definitely worth considering. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Last Updated. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? I have family that works in the town. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Those bastards. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. And their ammo prices were astronomical. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. They ignored it. They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? You have entered an incorrect email address! I hear you on that Ruger. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Very close to where I grew up. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. I agree. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. All evidence to the contrary? So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Some times they have deals. Now they will pay the price. thats what Illinois is hoping for stand our ground, Springfield got me right in my Grip Zone with this move, bu-bye SA. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. Oh, hell no, he told me. And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). Asit should. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. I got a 12 2a armament Mlok handguard from them for $148.97 and free shipping in September. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 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