More information about Sloan at. DESTINY HARRIS: Oh my goodness. That doesn't matter. CARL ZIMMER: You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. This is the verkalix church parish record. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. SAM KEAN: Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. The lady knew why we were there. Like shed give the women a choice. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. OLOV BYGREN: Well, for cardiovascular disease JAD: Olov told us, take heart disease. You know, like if you're abused as a kid, you were more likely to abuse your kid, but still, you got to wonder. BARBARA HARRIS: And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. ROBERT: Okay. Move on to the next cage yes, no? I'm so proud and I have four years clean. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. And they had more. When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. She was totally an oops kid. PAT: But along with the support came attacks, particularly as drug-addicted women began to sign up. That kind of 30 years? ROBERT: So you think you can get deep down? You can't change your DNA. Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. MICHAEL MEANEY: So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. Stretching got into the baby. Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. I'm in public health. No, not brain cells. She was thinking BARBARA HARRIS: "Everybody's motivated by money., BARBARA HARRIS: Can I offer these women money to use birth control? Yeah. Stick around. And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. Just sing. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. Could you just tell us what you are doing now? I just saw them as child abusers. But what exactly Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. PAT: And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. Wow. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. Radiolab is on YouTube! At this really marvelous place called the Vivarium. So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. But it failed. Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. [laughs] We now know that thats not the case. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. LATIF: This is Radiolab. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. I'm graduating in December. I think all parents do this, is that you slip into this Lamarckian delusion that What you do with your kids can somehow rewrite all of that. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? She got one. DESTINY HARRIS: My situation turned out positive. I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. I'm graduating in December. The kingdom archive. Theyd basically starve. They present previous theories on evolution and then present the currently accepted Darwinian Theory of Evolution. JAD: In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. We'll just be honest. This is nice and quiet. SAM KEAN: This was a really, really big effect. And they had more. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. DESTINY HARRIS: Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters DESTINY HARRIS: With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], PAT'S DAD: And Kenny [unintelligible 01:04:18], PAT: Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21]. Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. That's a lot of people. And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. You got to kick it back. What you see in the records, is that one year 100 liters. She'll be two in January. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. PAT: Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. PAT: Because she says as soon as she saw Destiny BARBARA HARRIS: Sat her on my lap, with her little dress on and her little curly hair. ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. Were just talking about toad, I thought. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? PAT: She just knew, "This is my daughter.". PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. Its gonna get messy. by Nolan Moore. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. He thought it worked with humans, too. They decided to explore this question, They thought, "Let's just see if we can figure out how it is the rat mothers pass down their parenting skills?". I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. All rights reserved. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. Yeah. So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking You know? JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. SAM KEAN: Very easily. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. I'm so proud and I have four years clean. PEJK MALINOVSKI: This is the verkalix church parish record. PEJK MALINOVSKI: What does that mean, he was an idiot? He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". [laughs]. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. DESTINY HARRIS: Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. I guess retard. And that's when things would start to get out of control. LULU: Yeah, thats it. Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? DESTINY HARRIS: Yes. PAT: Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? ROBERT: Thats what Darwin says, you cant. Birth mother's name was actually the same as me, so, Barbara. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. She did. And one of them is called the thyroid system. It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. Lots of money. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. SAM KEAN: The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. JAD: Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. She filled out the forms went BARBARA HARRIS: Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. You got your good parents and your bad parents. BARBARA HARRIS: Barbara Harris. SAM KEAN: Except he had one. Yeah. Where we sought, they will find. And in one day, we can imagine, he gets curious. BARBARA HARRIS: And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. Harris says her program, children requiring a caring community, or CRACK], Can prevent thousands of unwanted births to drug-addicted women. I don't know where she gets that from. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. BARBARA HARRIS: Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. Can you say oh my goodness? [expletive] That was awesome. JAD: Do you have any theories for how this tongue is tickling the DNA, or whatever it's doing? The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody Should say, "You're not doing this. So here's what you're going to notice. And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. That's 9, 10, 11. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? This was a really radical place at the time because you have to remember that people studying animals up till now, they were basically studying preserved specimens, and so on. I'm Sam Kean's dad. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. JAD: So, in the end, where do you come down on this? I don't like to upset people. Or is it? [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. [foreign language]. ], You get them $200 each, which they can spend on crack. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. PAT: And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. The cheapest estimate is the work that needs to be done in 14 days. I guess retard. Meet Jeremiah! JAD: Well think about what makes proteins. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? CARL ZIMMER: But but theres like some hope here because JAD: Okay, all right, this is interesting. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". JAD: Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. But here's what I did not know about DNA. My mom needed a girl and, boop! I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. PAT: Right away, people accused her of targeting women at their weakest moment and enabling their drug abuse. I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21], Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I feel that they should all be sterilized. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? PAT: And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. He stuffed himself silly; 9, 10, 11 years old, so he's a happy grandpa, you the grandson, you then would have. JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. CARL ZIMMER: He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. That was amazing. SAM KEAN: And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. So that was just funny to me. If . If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Yes, he was retarded. That's really impressive. PAT: And I told Destiny I was thinking about this and asked her about it. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. PAT: But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. [chuckles]. You picked him up right from the hospital? So we did stop. You know, just take a little peek for themselves, and every time Kammerer said no, they were his specimens. The kingdom archive. Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Yes, he was retarded. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. BARBARA HARRIS: Because he couldn't hold formula down. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? And to believe anything else, that's naive. And Barbara is not offering that. You know, the fact is that taking care of animals, trying to keep them alive in a building is not an easy thing, especially if it's 1903. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. That's a lot of people. And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. ROBERT: And rewrite the so-called rules of genetics. [chuckles]. ROBERT: Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. DESTINY HARRIS: I do mean that. I want her to be able to look back on her life one day, maybe when she's getting interviewed, I don't know, and be able to say that, "Yes, my mom was there for me 100% without a doubt." I'm almost done. And he was going through withdrawal. PAT: She did. OLOV BYGREN: Well It's one-fourth, we can we say. She started to wish again that she could have a daughter. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. Well, this is it! That was nice. We went to the foster home and went in. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. They could eat twice, three times as much. Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". The results are there. So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? All jokes aside. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. And Barbara is not offering that. That tongue is doing something to the DNA. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. It's off-limits. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. ROBERT: A few years later, there'd be a harsh winter. ROBERT: And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. JEAN KEAN: My name is Jean Kean. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. Visit our website. Did that scare you at all? FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: There's a normal distribution, right? So, in the end, where do you come down on this? But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. BARBARA HARRIS: This is 750 and this is 200. It's just a mind crushing tedium. Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. So its like grandpa's struggle is jumping forward and giving me a leg up? OLOV BYGREN: They didn't have grains. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? ROBERT: Interestingly, the church has also kept track of the farmers' SAM KEAN: How much they were growing each year. He is passionate about scholarly writing, World History, and Political sciences. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. Yeah. I mean, when you look at the records, you don't see huge spikes in mortality. Just sing. PAT: When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? BARBARA HARRIS: No, I've only had somebody call and say they regret that they didn't stay on birth control. And then, Michael just launched into this thing. JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. Inheritance | Radiolab Podcast 4,710 views Apr 8, 2022 Radiolab 43.8K subscribers From the Radiolab podcast: How your grandfather's diet can affect your lifespan, heart health and even. She got one. Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. I should add too. PAT: And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. MICHAEL MEANEY: That activates maternal behavior. 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